Joyce Meyer vs Jesus

A Closer Look at the Teachings of Joyce Meyer

Posted in Bible, christian, Religion, Uncategorized by ken jacobsen on August 3, 2023

 


 INTRODUCTION

A neighbor of mine mentioned the famous televangelist Joyce Meyer to me one day and suggested that I read one of Meyer’s books. So I read the book my friend gave me: Managing Your Emotions: Instead of Your Emotions Managing You, first published in 1997 and still sold in hardcover, digital and audio formats. The quotes mentioned here are from that book, unless indicated otherwise, but the teachings discussed are the theme of Joyce Meyer’s books and sermons to this day. Those teachings have been preached by others for decades, long before Joyce Meyer adopted them, and they are still being taught in hundreds of churches across the USA.

Early in her book Meyer warns;

“There is a lot of spiritual ‘junk’ being offered today, and some of it sounds so good and feels so right. Make sure what you are following is in line with the Word of God and is initiated by His Holy Spirit.” (p 81)

Are Joyce Meyer’s teachings “in line with the Word of God” and “initiated by His Holy Spirit”? For those who care to check, let’s take a look. And may the truth of Christ, who is the truth, enlighten us all.

 

 

Chapter 1


LEAVING OFF THE EVERLASTING ARMS

 

“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—  which is really no gospel at all.” Galatians 1:6

 

Meyer presents herself as the object of envy early in her book; “My husband and I have a fabulous life” she writes, “many times things are so wonderful for us I feel like a fairy princess.” “Here I am traveling all over the world, people are coming to hear me speak, I’m on radio and television, and God,” she claims, “is opening doors to me everywhere I go – I am so blessed!”

And her readers? After claiming that she is just as “blessed” as Abraham was, Meyer goes on to tell them, “Each of us can be blessed as Abraham was, if we will be as faithful and obedient as he was.”

Notice the “if”. Meyer crams her book full of “if”s like that one, piling up a long list of hurdles that she insists her followers must jump before they can hope to approach the “fairy princess” “fabulous life”,  the supposedly “blessed” life that she claims she has and that she assumes they want.

A few examples from this book;

IF we are willing to control our emotions, God will bless us.” “IF we will submit to His way, everything will work out for us.” “IF we will learn and act on the Word, God will bless our lives.” IF we do things God’s way, we will experience God’s victory.”  “UNLESS WE are obedient to God’s Word, the Word will have no effect on us.” And an endless list of others throughout her books right up to the present; “IF we choose to live according to God’s commands, our lives will be blessed, and if we don’t, we cannot expect his blessings,” Meyer writes just last year in Loving People Who Are Hard to Love.

Meyer makes it perfectly clear – according to her, she is so “blessed” because she “controls her emotions”, “submits to His ways”, “learned and acted on the Word”, “does things God’s way”, is “obedient to God’s Word,” “lives according to God’s commands” and, not only that, she is just as “faithful and obedient” as Abraham was. According to Joyce Meyer, thanks to her efforts she’s got it all taken care of. As for you, she always assumes, you’re not there yet.

What’s wrong with all this?

To start, Meyer ignores the simple fact that in the story of Abraham, there are no “ifs”. Contrary to what Joyce Meyer teaches, none of God’s promises to Abraham are contingent on his behavior. Everything is a gift from the grace – the unearned, undeserved favor – of God. In fact, if God’s grace depends on us and what we do, as Meyer claims, then it’s not grace at all;

Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace. Romans 11:6

Yet Meyer writes, “God told Abraham that IF he would obey Him, God would bless those who blessed him and curse those who cursed him.”

But the Bible says nothing of the kind. It simply says;

“Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.
I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you;
I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. 
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Genesis 12:2-3

There is no “IF“.
Meyer goes on to quote an ‘Amplified’ version of Genesis 15:1

After these things, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram, I am your Shield, your abundant compensation, and your reward shall be exceedingly great. Genesis 15:1

“In this passage,” she states, “we see that the Lord came to Abraham and promised that IF he would be faithful and obedient to Him, He Himself would be his great recompense and reward.” But that is false  – there is nowhere any “IF”. Contrary to what Joyce Meyer teaches, there is no conditionality to God’s promises to Abraham. They come by grace – undeserved favor – not by fulfilling some requirement, as Meyer constantly insists. 

The promises made by the gracious and forgiving God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are eternally trustworthy.

Let us hold on firmly to the hope we profess, because we can trust God to keep his promise.
Hebrews 10:23

But the deity that Joyce Meyer is preaching cannot be counted on to keep his promises. How does she know this? “I know from personal experience”, Meyer writes, “that He does what He promises to do IF we do what He tells us to do.” So, according to Joyce Meyer, if you slip up, don’t count on God’s promises like Abraham did.

And that is exactly the opposite of grace. 

Despite this Meyer portrays herself as a modern-day Abraham, writing; “… like Abraham, in order to enjoy the promised blessings, I had to give up what I thought was the source of my happiness and security and set out, not knowing where I was headed or what was awaiting me when I got there.”

But that’s not at all like Abraham. Abraham didn’t have to leave his home and family in order to “enjoy the promised blessings” as Meyer claims. It was exactly the opposite – Abraham gladly left everything behind because he had faith, faith in God, faith that God would keep His promises to bless him and to make him a blessing to others as a gift of God’s amazing grace, not as a reward for anything he did or would or could do. 

So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. Galatians 3:9

But Joyce Meyer completely rejects this.  She even claims that God personally made promises to her “… just as there were when God called Abraham: ‘IF you will obey me and do this thing I am asking you, then I will broaden your tent and you will stretch out to the north, and to the south and to the east and to the west and I will bless you and make you a blessing to others.’ ”

This is yet another example of just how “out of line” Meyer’s teachings are with the Bible. Not only does she pervert the biblical text by adding yet another “IF” that isn’t there, but in the verses she refers to, God is speaking not to Abraham, as she claims, but to Jacob instead. In the Bible’s account, Jacob is fleeing the threat of death from his own brother and is alone in the wilderness at night, destitute, with no idea of what will happen to him and with only a rock for a pillow. (Meyer, on the other hand, was contemplating changing churches in the comfort of her own home.) 

 Here is what God actually says to Jacob in the Bible:

“I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.” Genesis 28:13-15

Notice again that there is no “IF you will obey me and do this thing” as Meyer claims. Joyce Meyer is baldly lying – there are nowhere any “IF“s at all. Like Abraham, Jacob wasn’t required to leave his home in order to get blessed, it was exactly the opposite – because he had gotten his Father’s blessing, Jacob was forced to flee his home in order to escape the threat of death from his jealous brother. The promises to Jacob are the gift of God’s grace to someone who had lost everything, including almost his life, for seeking the things of God rather than the things of this world. They are absolutely unconditional.

And although he had to work like a slave for twenty years for everything he eventually had in this world, including even his wives, Jacob still confessed to God; 

“I am unworthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.” Genesis 32:10

Could Joyce Meyer possibly be more unlike Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Could she possibly be less “in line with the Word of God”? 

Throughout her books and sermons Meyer relentlessly corrupts and perverts the biblical text like this, in this case creating an endless list of requirements while always holding herself up as fulfilling them and thus earning, according to her, a “blessedness” that she falsely claims is just like Abraham’s. To the followers of the televangelists this may seem insignificant, but it represents the difference between the filthy rags of self-righteousness that those preachers are selling and the saving grace that comes free of charge by faith in Christ – who IS “our righteousness.”

Unlike Christ’s ‘New Covenant’ of grace, of which Abraham was the pioneer, Moses’ ‘Old Covenant’ of law from Deuteronomy 28 is full of “IF”s…

IF you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. All these blessings will come on you and accompany you IF you obey the Lord your God.” Deuteronomy 28:1-2

…like Joyce Meyer claims she does. 

“However, IF you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you…” Deuteronomy 28:15

… and a long list of horrible curses follows.

Meyer refers to that list of “blessings” in Deuteronomy 28 frequently in her books. “Deuteronomy 28 provides details about the blessings we can expect if we obey the Lord,” Meyer writes in her 2005 best-seller Battlefield of the Mind, “and the problems that will arise when we do not obey Him.” “We must realize that the blessing package described in Deuteronomy 28:1-14 is conditional,” she writes in The Confident Woman, The Everyday LIfe Bible and Keeping the Devil.

Being conditional, that “blessing package” is earned by following Moses’ commandments, not given freely out of God’s gracious love – and according to Joyce Meyer she’s got the whole “package” because she obeys them all. After quoting Deuteronomy 28:1-2, the verses shown above, in God is Not Mad at You, Perfect Love and God’s Greatest Gifts, Meyer writes, “We don’t need to chase blessings, because they will chase us if we will simply do what God asks us to do.” According to Joyce Meyer, to “fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands” is for her a piece of cake – she ‘simply’ does them. 

The apostle Peter had something to say about the Law of Moses to the Joyce Meyers of his time:

“Now then, why are you testing God by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to endure?” Acts 15:10

The gospel of Christ has a completely different message than the law of Moses and the televangelists have about just who is blessed and who is cursed by that law. It’s those who have faith in Christ and what he did who are the blessed. It’s those who have faith in themselves and in what they do who are the cursed.

 … all who put their faith in Christ share the same blessing Abraham received because of his faith.
All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 3:10

And that includes Joyce Meyer. 

Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God, is the only person to ever “fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands” and thereby deserve all those blessings that the Law of Moses promised. But rather than enjoy a “fabulous life” he chose instead to suffer a horrible, painful death in order to free those who believe in him and in what he did, rather than in themselves and in what they do, from the Law’s miserable curse;

“Christ rescued us from the Law’s curse, when he became accursed in our place.” Galatians 3:13

In the fourth chapter of Romans, Paul examines the same story in Genesis that Meyer was referring to about Abraham;

“What did he discover about being made right with God? If his good deeds had made him acceptable to God, he would have had something to boast about. But that was not God’s way. For the Scriptures tell us, ‘Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.’ When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. ” Romans 4: 1-4

Clearly, God’s promise to give the whole earth to Abraham and his descendants was based not on his obedience to God’s law, but on a right relationship with God that comes by faith. Romans 4:13

Joyce Meyer’s ‘gospel’ is exactly the opposite of the gospel of Christ. Paul the apostle makes it clear that it’s not because Abraham was “obedient to the Word” and “walked in His ways” that God blessed him, as Meyer constantly insists. Instead, it was Abraham’s faith in the “God who forgives sinners”, sinners like himself, and that faith was “counted to him as righteousness” – not anything that he did.

For the gospel reveals how God puts people right with himself: it is through faith from beginning to end. As the scripture says, “The person who is put right with God through faith shall live.” Romans 1:17

But Joyce Meyer wants none of that for herself or her followers. The false gospel that she is preaching isn’t about Christ, his obedience, and the gift of eternal life that he purchased with his suffering and death. Instead it’s about how she has earned her “blessed” “fairy tale” life through her deeds, brought about by her will, the reward of her supposed obedience. “It takes a constant act of the will to choose to do things God’s way,” Meyer insists, always promoting herself and her supposed obedience to the law of Moses, not Abraham and the righteousness he obtained by faith, as the ideal.

“All we have to do today,” Meyer breezily concludes on page 53, “is what Moses had to do – obey.” Her ignorance of the story of Moses is telling. Moses was denied entrance into the promised land because he disobeyed God, yet Meyer portrays herself as doing what not even Moses could do. And she teaches those who follow her that they can do the same IF they can just somehow summon the willpower and discipline and incredible effort to obey all of God’s commandments like she she claims she easily does. And even Moses didn’t.

But though Joyce Meyer teaches the opposite, Moses, like Abraham, found God’s favor by his faith, not by earning it. And the reward that Moses was looking forward to was the same as Abraham’s; not a supposedly “blessed” life of money, property, power and fame like Meyer claims that she has – because, according to her, she has earned it – but the undeserved gift of eternal life with Christ, the same “abundant compensation”, the eternal life that God promised to Abraham, compared to which all of the bogus “blessings” of the televangelists are nothing at all.

“By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time. He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ to be of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward.” Hebrews 11:24-26

Could it be any clearer that Meyer’s “reward”, the “blessings” she claims she has earned by her supposed “diligent obedience”, are temporary things in this world, rather than eternal life with Christ in the next?

Her attitude toward her own followers should be equally clear; “To receive from God what he has promised us in His Word,” she again insists, “we must obey the Word. ‘Yes’, you may say, ‘but I have been doing the Word for a long time and I still don’t have the victory!’’

Meyer’s answer? “Then do it some more.” 

Unlike Meyer’s “victory”, the victory Bible talks about is not the result of our “doing the Word”, it is instead the result of our faith, contrary to what Joyce Meyer over and over insists,;

“For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world – our faith.” 1 John 5:4

Salvation by faith is an essential doctrine of the Bible. It teaches that reconciliation with God, the righteousness that comes from faith, and the gift of eternal life are not earned by our obedience or our works or our doing but are received as an unearned gift by putting our faith instead in Christ’s obedience – specifically in the self-sacrificing atonement for the sins of the world made on the Cross by the only truly sinless person who ever lived.

“And just as all people were made sinners as the result of the disobedience of one man, in the same way they will all be put right with God as the result of the obedience of the one man.” Romans 5:19

“For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood.” Romans 3:25

It’s “by his wounds that we are healed” not by following the self-aggrandizing teachings of a televangelist, and it’s by abandoning faith in our own actions and putting our faith instead in what He did that we receive that healing, as the Bible teaches over and over.

“I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ. For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith.” Phil 3:9

“By grace are you saved, through faith; and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God –not by works, so that no one can boast.” Eph 2:8

And because Joyce Meyer thoroughly rejects God’s way of salvation by faith she boasts plenty;

“I am free in Jesus,” Meyer claims in her book, and, she assumes, you aren’t. “I live and walk in light and peace and joy,” she brags, always assuming that her readers don’t.  “Do you want to continually bruise Satan’s head, as I am doing in my life and ministry?” she asks. She is and you of course aren’t. This is the basic premise of every cult guru and it’s everywhere in Meyer’s books and sermons; the guru’s got it, you don’t, the guru’s there, and you are not. “God fills every room in my heart, so that I am filled with His light,” Meyer claims. And you must read her books and listen to her sermons and try very very hard so that you too might get there some day “sooner or later”, like she claims she has. And even then you’ll only get there “IF”;  “… IF you will stay on that narrow path and leave all your excess baggage behind, sooner or later you will find the peace, joy and fulfillment you seek,” she writes.

Fortunately, Jesus, who alone is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, puts no such hurdles in the way of those who put their faith in him rather than in themselves;

“If anyone is thirsty, let them come to Me and drink. The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From their innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” John 7:38

And the God-given escape from the demanding arrogance of the self-righteous is the undemanding humility of the Messiah, who alone is truly righteous, and who alone completely submitted his “mind, will, and emotions” to God like Joyce Meyer falsely claims she has;

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28

Unfortunately, Joyce Meyer’s followers aren’t taking Christ’s yoke and learning from him. She’s convinced them that they should buy her books and watch her sermons and learn from her instead, making them slaves of a righteousness by the law that no one will never attain. According to Meyer, her way is The Way, not Christ’s; her ‘truth’ is The Truth, not Christ’s; and her life is The Life, not Jesus’.  

Seeming to contradict herself, Meyer goes on to write: “I needed to know that God loved me unconditionally and His love was not something I could buy with works or good behavior.”  So how does Joyce Meyer go about knowing God’s love? By resting her faith in Christ’s death on the cross as its proof?

“This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us,” 1 John 3:16

Of course not – Joyce Meyer doesn’t put her faith in Jesus. As always she puts it in her own “works and good behavior” instead. “Through the process of continual study and meditation in this area,” she claims, “I became rooted and grounded in God’s love as the Apostle Paul encourages us to do in Ephesians 3.”

That’s what Joyce Meyer says Paul says but it’s not at all what the Bible says Paul says. According to the verses Meyer is referring to, it’s not by “continual study and meditation”, or any work on our part, that we cam become rooted and grounded in God’s love. Instead it is of course by faith;

“I pray that he would give you, accord­ing to his glorious riches, strength in your inner being and power through his Spirit, and that the Messiah would make his home in your hearts through faith. Then, having been rooted and grounded in love, you will be able to understand, along with all the saints, what is wide, long, high, and deep— that is, you will know the love of the Messiah, which transcends knowledge, and will be filled with all the fullness of God.” Ephesians 3:16-19

Self-will, what Nietzsche called “the will to power”, is at the heart of Meyer’s teaching. An essential point of Meyer’s book is her contention that “we fight against our emotions –by using our will to make a decision to follow God’s Word.” According to Meyer, she is “blessed” by her will, her effort, her supposed obedience to God’s Word – all to her credit and glory, not Christ’s. She insists that she is using her will to follow God’s will, but in doing so she makes it plain that she refuses to abandon faith in herself and in what she does and to believe instead in the gospel of Christ and in what he did – she’d rather believe in herself. There’s no more “worldly” attitude than this; rejecting faith in Christ’s atoning death on the cross and replacing it with faith in one’s self, replacing the righteousness that comes by faith in Christ with self-righteousness, replacing confidence in God with “self-confidence”.

One only needs to read the titles of a few of Meyer’s other books to perceive the spirit of self-will that she is selling: “Never Give Up!: Relentless Determination to Overcome Life’s Challenges”, “Winning the Battle in Your Mind”, “Overcoming the Obstacles to Your Happiness”, “21 Ways to Conquer Anxiety, Fear, and Discontentment”. The message is repeated over and over again; it’s all about yourself and your efforts – “overcoming”, “conquering”, “winning” by your own willpower – not about giving up on believing in yourself and instead putting your faith in Christ, who by the painful sacrifice of his own life overcame the world, conquered death, and won eternal life for all who put their faith in him and what he did rather than in themselves and what they do.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

“This is the work of God, to believe in the one whom he has sent.” John 6:29

That one is Jesus, not Joyce.

 

 

Chapter 2

BLESSED ASSURANCE, MONEY IS MINE

“Beware, and be on your guard against every kind of greed.” -Jesus

 

Meyer constantly boasts in her book about her “blessedness” – recall her proclaiming in the previous chapter “I am so blessed!” What does the Bible mean by “blessedness”? After discussing how Abraham was blessed because of his faith, Paul makes clear exactly what Abraham’s “blessedness” was by quoting Psalms;

David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

“Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
 Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.” Romans 4:7-8

And what does Joyce Meyer mean by “blessedness”?  

Money.

When Joyce Meyer was questioned by a local newspaper about her $900,000 per year salary, her husband’s $450,000 per year salary – both on the ‘Joyce Meyer Ministries’ payroll – her $20 million office complex, full of millions of dollars worth of antique furniture, her $10 million private jet, her multi-million dollar family “compound”, her half-million dollar vacation home and her expensive luxury cars – everything paid for by her followers and all worth twice that amount now – her response was curt and unequivocal; “There’s no need for us to apologize for being blessed.”

There is a serious problem with Meyer calling herself “blessed” due to her worldly wealth. It’s not just Meyer’s false claim that she has earned this “blessedness” by her supposed obedience, as we saw in the first chapter. Worse than that, Meyer is deliberately contradicting Christ himself on the subject of just who is and who isn’t “blessed”;

“Blessed are you who are poor,

for yours is the kingdom of God.

But woe to you who are rich,

for you have already received your comfort.”

Luke 6: 20, 24

Following the ‘prosperity preachers’ before her, Meyer completely perverts Christ’s clear teaching as to just who is and who isn’t “blessed.” In the good news of Jesus’ gospel it’s the poor who are blessed and it’s the rich who are in trouble with God – yet Meyer teaches exactly the opposite. Meyer boasts of her “joy and blessedness” yet Christ teaches that it’s those who are weeping who are blessed – exactly the opposite. Meyer calls herself “so blessed!” due to her thousands of loyal followers but according to Jesus it’s those who are hated, those who are excluded, those who are insulted because they’re following him that truly are blessed – exactly the opposite. And to those who, like Meyer, have acquired a cult of thousands of adoring, unquestioning followers Christ warns…

“Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” Luke 6:26

In announcing the misery in the next world awaiting those who, like Meyer, are “blessed” with “prosperity” in this one, Jesus was speaking entirely within the biblical tradition. A few examples; 

“…my feet had almost slipped;
I had nearly lost my foothold.
For I envied the arrogant
when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
They have no struggles;
their bodies are healthy and strong. 
They are free from common human burdens;
they are not plagued by human ills.
…Their mouths lay claim to heaven,
and their tongues take possession of the earth.

…This is what the wicked are like—
always free of care, they go on amassing wealth.

…Surely you place them on slippery ground;
you cast them down to ruin.
How suddenly are they destroyed,
completely swept away by terrors!
They are like a dream when one awakes;
when you arise, Lord,
you will despise them as fantasies.”  Psalm 73

“Why should I fear when evil days come,
when wicked deceivers surround me—
those who trust in their wealth
and boast of their great riches?

… they leave their wealth to others.
Their graves are their eternal homes,
their homes from generation to generation,
though they have named estates after themselves.

… This is the way of those who trust in themselves,
and of their followers, who approve of their words.
They are like sheep and are destined to die;
death will be their shepherd.
 

…. Though while they live they count themselves blessed—
and people praise you when you prosper—
they will join those who have gone before them,
who will never again see the light of life. Psalm 49

“Why are the wicked so prosperous?
Why are evil people so happy?
You have planted them,
and they have taken root and prospered.
Your name is on their lips,
but you are far from their hearts.
…..
Drag these people away like sheep to be butchered!
Set them aside to be slaughtered!
” Jeremiah 12

“Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread.” Proverbs 30:8

What both Christ and the book of Proverbs call “my daily bread” is clearly not enough for Joyce Meyer, to put it mildly.

On pages 135-136 of her book, Meyer talks at length about a particular solid gold watch she coveted, but had postponed buying while she considered a less expensive gold-plated version. When her husband unexpectedly gifted her that solid gold watch, along with an expensive suit and gold ring to match, Meyer exults, “I thanked the Lord that I had had the sense to let Him work out His plan for me”, otherwise “I would have ended up with a cheap watch that I would not have been happy with very long.”

That “cheap”, merely gold-plated watch cost $800 in 1997 – that’s over $1500 today.

Meyer, who boasts in her book “I am filled with peace and joy” makes it clear where her joy originates; “when Dave presented me with that 14-karat gold watch I had wanted so badly, I was filled with joy.” 

“Joy” is not at all the emotion that the Bible teaches is in order here;

“Look here, you rich people: Weep and groan with anguish because of all the terrible troubles ahead of you …. Your gold and silver are corroded. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This corroded treasure you have hoarded will testify against you on the day of judgment.” James 5:1-3

Jesus declared Woe to the Pharisees who had him killed, Woe to those who lead children away from him, Woe to the cities that rejected him and Woe to Judas who betrayed him – and includes the rich in that hell-bound crowd. Who but rich televangelists like Joyce Meyer could be so spiritually blind and scripturally ignorant as to believe that a solid gold watch is “God’s plan”?

Meyer goes on in her book about the purchase of her earthly mansion, part of the multi-million dollar family compound mentioned earlier – paid for, like everything else, by Joyce Meyer Ministries. “I knew the house was a gift from the Lord” she writes on p 137, describing it as “a good financial investment for us”. Ever the example to her readers of “Managing Your Emotions”, Meyer explains how she didn’t get overly excited about suddenly owning such pricey real estate, as she might have in the past. Instead she was “filled with calm delight”. Why? Because by being too excited “we take away the joy and blessedness that should exist between us and the Lord when He does something special for us.”

This, according to Meyer, is where she finds “joy and blessedness”; not in Christ and his atonement for her sins but in her gold and real estate. 

What does Jesus have to say of all this?

You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. Rev. 3:17

After washing all 24 of his twelve disciple’s dirty feet, willingly doing the humiliating job of the most menial servant, Jesus put an “if” before his disciples and promised them a blessing, provided they obeyed it;

“For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you. Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them.” John 13:17

Meyer certainly must know these things, but following Christ’s example and doing them she certainly is not. Can anyone imagine Joyce Meyer personally washing the car or cleaning the toilet of even one of her myriad disciples?  While she revels and glories in what she falsely calls “blessedness”, can Joyce Meyer be anything but the very opposite of “blessed” according to Christ? 

Joyce Meyer has a multi-million dollar mansion and a million dollar vacation home. Jesus, by his own admission, was homeless. Joyce Meyer has a private jet and expensive luxury cars. Jesus briefly had a borrowed donkey. Jesus’ example was one of total humiliation, of washing his disciples’ feet as if he were a slave, of being whipped bloody before those who hated him, and, though he could have had anything, choosing instead to give up everything, stripped naked, robbed of even his underwear, ridiculed by the public, suffering horribly, and executed as a criminal in order to atone for the sins of everyone and purchase an eternal home in heaven for all who believe in him rather than in themselves. Joyce Meyer’s example is one of exalting herself over her followers, of reveling in her power and fame, of glorying in her millions of dollars in real estate, her multimillion dollar mansion, her jet, her cars, her furniture, her gold, her jewelry, her expensive clothes, and all the loyal servants at her command – everything paid for by those same followers, who will never get anything in return but the poisoned anti-gospel that she has sold them. 

“No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.” Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him. And Jesus said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.” Luke 16:13

Could Joyce Meyer, who holds herself up as the example while proudly parading her worldly “blessedness”, possibly be more unlike Christ’s example? Could anything possibly be more detestable in the sight of God than the ill-gotten wealth of televangelists like Meyer, the filthiest of all “filthy lucre”? 

Isaiah dealt with such greedy ‘ministers’ thousands of years ago, writing;

“The dogs have big appetites; they are never full. They are shepherds who have no understanding; they all go their own way, each one looking for monetary gain.” Isaiah 56:11

Jeremiah prophesied about such preachers as well;

“From the least to the greatest,
their lives are ruled by greed.
Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
They are all frauds.
They offer superficial treatments
for my people’s mortal wound.
They give assurances of peace
when there is no peace.
…. Whatever I gave them will soon be gone.
I, the LORD, have spoken!’” Jeremiah 8:10-13

Meyer has been deluded by what Christ calls “the deceitfulness of riches”, the mistaken belief that having money is a “blessing” and proof of God’s approval but if you’re poor it’s God cursing you with poverty because you aren’t as “faithful and obedient” as Joyce Meyer says she is. Not only does Joyce Meyer teach that Satanic lie, she has gotten rich spreading it around the world for decades – while, even worse, calling it a “Christian ministry” in the name of the Christ who teaches exactly the opposite.   

Fortunately, the Bible everywhere echoes Christ’s clear teaching that even though the Joyce Meyers of the world are determined to rob them of that belief, God is on the side of the poor, not the rich.

A few examples:

My whole being will exclaim, “Who is like you, LORD? You rescue the poor from those too strong for them, the poor and needy from those who rob them.” Psalms 35:10 

For he will deliver the needy who cry out,
the afflicted who have no one to help.
He will take pity on the weak and the needy
and save the needy from death.
He will rescue them from oppression and violence,
for precious is their blood in his sight..  Psalms 72:12-14

You are a tower of refuge to the poor, O LORD, a tower of refuge to the needy in distress. Isaiah 25:4

On that day the deaf will hear words of a book,
And out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see.
The afflicted also will increase their gladness in the LORD,
And the needy of mankind will rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 29:18-19

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.  Isaiah 61:1-2 and Luke 4:18-19

He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty.
Luke 1:5

The poor man died, and angels took him to the place of honor next to Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. He went to hell and was suffering terribly. Luke 16:22-23 

Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? James 2:5-7 

Long ago Paul the apostle warned Timothy about exploitation by rich ‘prosperity preachers’ like Meyer;

They have wicked minds and have missed out on the truth. These people think religion is supposed to make you rich.

And about the followers of such preachers the apostle warns;

People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. 1 Tim 6:9

Unlike Meyer, the apostle Paul knew what true “blessedness” was – not getting rich in this world, but gladly throwing away everything he had, including even his own life, knowing that he, like Abraham, forever possessed the “exceedingly great reward” of Christ himself, through whom God made everything. And he received that blessing by his faith in Christ, not by any “diligent obedience” to the law of Moses: 

It’s because of him that I think of everything as worthless. I threw it all away in order to gain Christ and to have a relationship with him. This means that I didn’t receive God’s approval by obeying his laws. The opposite is true! I have God’s approval through faith in Christ.  Phil 3:8-9

And the believers of the Bible found their joy not in gold, money and real estate like Meyer and her fellow televangelists so shamelessly do, but in having Christ, in whom and for whom all things exist eternally. Those believers gladly gave up everything they had in this world, not because they thought they’d get even more worldly goodies as a result, like Joyce Meyer says she does, but because they knew that in Christ they had forever the same “recompense”, the “very great reward”, the same “better and lasting possessions” in the next world that Abraham and Moses looked forward to;

“Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering… You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.” Hebrews 10: 32, 34-35

That rich reward, the eternal home that all those who believe in Christ gratefully receive by faith just like Abraham did, is not in this world but in the next, as Christ teaches plainly:

“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” Matt 6: 19-21

But Joyce Meyer already has her fleeting “reward” and she makes it abundantly clear that her heart is set on her treasures in this world, not in the next; “If you stay in your faith you are going to get paid,” Meyer asserted in a St Louis Post article, referring to her multimillion dollar mansion; “I’m living now in my reward.” And as Christ explains about all those who profit from religion like Meyer has,

“That is all the reward they will ever get.” Matthew 6:2, 5 & 16

 


Chapter 3

I MUST LOVE ME THIS I KNOW, FOR JOYCE MEYER TELLS ME SO

 

As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” – Jesus

 

According to Joyce Meyer, she wasn’t always such a “winner” as she claims to be now. She describes her earlier life:

“I was a controller and manipulator. I was out of control emotionally. I was depressed. I had mood swings. I had a bad attitude, a horrible self-image, and low self-esteem. I didn’t like myself or anybody else.”

How did Joyce Meyer find deliverance from this sorry state? Did she humble herself like Jesus’ tax collector and pray “God have mercy on me, a sinner”? Did she fall on her knees like Peter and say, “Lord, I am a sinful person!”  Did she readily confess like Paul did long after he was chosen to be an apostle, “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.”

Unfortunately, no. To Joyce Meyer all such talk is “self pity” and “poor self-image” and, according to her, such “negative confession” would only assure that you’ll stay a sinner as long as you confess to being one; “The more you think about what’s wrong with you, the longer you’re gonna stay that way,” she preaches. So instead she claims that Jesus himself personally told her that all of that repentance stuff would just be a waste of time. In this and 26 other books Meyer claims that when she was feeling worst about her behavior Christ himself tauntingly asked her “Do you want to be pitiful or powerful?” And that gives her cover to reject repentance and do exactly the opposite of what the real Christ teaches;

“Finally I had to learn to just look myself in the mirror and say, ‘Joyce, I love you just the way you are, and I am going to get along with you. I am not going to be against you any more.’” (p 210)

Meyer claims she was changed for the better, not by humbling herself before God and confessing her sins, not by living in repentance for her bad behavior, not by accepting Jesus’ atonement for all her wrongdoing –“the one who loved us and died for us” – and loving him forever in gratitude for the forgiveness of her sins that he bought at such a price, but by loving her sinful self instead.

And for those who aren’t happy with their own behavior, Meyer doesn’t tell them to follow Jesus’ call to live in repentance. She tells them instead to do exactly the opposite – to admire themselves in the mirror every day just like she does; “Look at yourself in the mirror every morning and say, ‘I like you. You are a child of God. You are full of the Holy Spirit. You are capable. You have gifts and talents. You are a neat person –and I like you.’ If you do that and really believe it, it will work wonders in overcoming a shame-based nature.” (“Shame-based” nature, not to be confused with the Biblical “sinful nature”, is a concept that Meyer has borrowed from pop psychologist John Bradshaw. More on that later.)

Meyer actually claims that her ‘I love myself just the way I am’ teaching is Christ’s, when someone asked him what was Moses’ most important commandment;

Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matt 22:36

About this, Meyer writes;

“He must have meant that it’s as important to love ourselves as it is to love others. But it is not enough to love ourselves, we must also like ourselves… If you don’t like you, you are going to have a hard time liking anyone else.”

Meyer doesn’t bother to explain how it could be possible to simultaneously love one’s self and not “like” one’s self. After claiming that Christ’s teaching to “Love your neighbor as yourself”  is “not enough”, she also never explains why we should take her word over the words of Christ, who makes no such differentiation. She simply expects it. She is, after all, Joyce Meyer and, on the other hand, Jesus in Meyer’s book is, well, only Jesus – instead of the Word of God incarnate, the mediator between God and humanity, and the Son of God he’s just another of her admirers, there to tell her how righteous she is, just another self-help guru who doesn’t know as much as she claims she does.

1 John 1:9 states,

“If we make it our habit to confess our sins, in his faithful righteousness he forgives us for those sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us”

That is the operation of God’s grace in the lives of those who keep on admitting and confessing their sins – a lifetime of receiving undeserved forgiveness and being changed for the better by that grace. 

Christ teaches…

No one is good except God alone. Luke 18:19

And the apostle Paul follows him, declaring…

 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. Romans 7:18

But loving and admiring her sinful self every day instead of confessing her sins every day has, according to Joyce Meyer, worked such “wonders” on her that she claims that Jesus himself, after telling her that repentance is “pitiful”, tells her that she no longer has any unrighteousness to be cleansed of, saying, “There’s nothing wrong with you, but there is a lot right about you,” on page 178. 

That’s how Joyce Meyer deals with Jesus on those many occasions when her teachings contradict his. Following the example of the televangelists before her, she simply shoves her words into his mouth and that takes care of it.

Of course, Christ nowhere teaches that we are to love ourselves “just the way we are”, as Meyer puts it. He teaches exactly the opposite instead – that loathing our sinful selves leads to eternal life;

“Those who love their life lose it, and those who hate their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. John 12:25

He teaches…

“Repent, because the kingdom of heaven is near!” Matthew 3:2

And he teaches…

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” John 13:34

This is the new commandment of Christ’s ‘New Covenant’, a commandment that completely supersedes the commandment of Moses’ covenant – that we should love others, not like Joyce Meyer selfishly loves herself, but like Christ selflessly loves us, a love that cost him everything, including his life, the greatest love of all. 

 

Since what Joyce Meyer calls the “wonder working” power of self-love is found nowhere in the Bible in general, or Christ’s teachings in particular, from where does it originate?

“If there is a panacea or cure-all to life, it is self-love,” wrote Paul Solomon, famed “psychic”, “seer” and supposed channeler of the “universal mind”, fifteen years before Meyer’s book.

‘New Thought’ advocate, ‘Religious Science’ minister, and regular guest of the Oprah Winfrey Show, Louise Hay wrote in her phenomenally best-selling book You Can Heal Your Life, “…there is only one thing I ever work on with anyone and this is Loving the Self. [emphasis in the original] … Loving ourselves works miracles in our lives,” she writes. Hay’s book sold over 50 million copies, the third biggest ‘self-help’ book sale in history. Joyce Meyer not only follows Hay’s ‘Loving the Self’ principle – even claiming it “works wonders” like Hays does – she faithfully follows Hay’s ‘Religious Science’ principles throughout her books and sermons as well, as we shall see.

Pop psychologist and another guest of the Oprah Winfrey show – where self-love was the cure for every ill – John Bradshaw, wrote in his best-selling book, Healing The Shame That Binds You, “Total self-love and acceptance is the only foundation for happiness and the love of others.” Bradshaw makes his opinion about religion clear early in his book, writing “Religious addiction is rooted in toxic shame,” and the phrase “rooted in toxic shame” appears repeatedly in his books. Meyer readily copies the phrase, writing, “When an individual is rooted in shame, it affects his entire life” and goes on to base her ‘Rooted in Shame’ chapter entirely on Bradshaw’s book – though she never mentions or acknowledges him.

“Shame-based people feel flawed and defective as human beings,” Branden wrote. “I cannot think of a single psychological problem— from depression to fear of intimacy to criminal violence —that is not traceable to poor self-concept…” Meyer copies Branden almost word for word, writing, “When a person has a shamed-based nature, as I did, it becomes the source or root of many complex inner problems, like depression … sexual perversions of all kinds; the list is endless.” The phrase “shame-based nature” appears in 20 of Meyer’s books.

Although there’s nowhere any ‘inner child’ in the Bible, Meyer claims on p 259 that “God has given each of us an inner child,” and even includes a ‘Restoring the Inner Child’ chapter in her book, based on another best-selling book by Bradshaw, Homecoming: Reclaiming and Championing Your Inner Child. In that book Bradshaw tells his ‘inner child’ “I love you just the way you are.” Rejecting the repentance that Christ teaches, Meyer follows Bradshaw’s advice word for word, telling herself as we’ve seen, “Joyce, I love you just the way you are”. “We get our being needs met when we allow our inner child to play,” wrote Bradshaw. “We need to recognize that fact and become more attuned to the playful child within each of us,” wrote Meyer soon after, again parroting Bradshaw.

Jesus teaches exactly the opposite – that not only is there no “playful inner child” that needs to be “restored”, but that we need to repent and completely change in order become as humble as a child before we can have any hope of entering God’s Kingdom;

“I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 18:3-4

And, as anyone can see, repentance and humility – or “low self-esteem” as she calls it – are nowhere on Joyce Meyer’s agenda. 

Yet another regular guest of the Oprah Winfrey Show, the influential pop psychologist Nathaniel Branden, author of the 1994 best seller, The Six Pillars of Self Esteem wrote, “People who do not experience self-love have little or no capacity to love others.” Branden is famous as the founder of the now-discredited “self-esteem” movement, for his adulterous affair with Ayn Rand, and also for his avid atheism; “Anyone who engages in the practice of psychotherapy,” he wrote, “confronts every day the devastation wrought by the teachings of religion.” Despite all this, Meyer not only follows Branden’s directives about self-love to the letter, she promotes his theories about the importance of self-esteem as unquestionable gospel truth to this day – though even Oprah Winfrey admits they have long since been disproven. And although it’s now referred to disparagingly as ‘the cult of self love’, Meyer remains a devotee, insisting in her 2021 book Authentically, Uniquely You, “If you don’t like yourself, you are destined” not for eternal life as Christ teaches, but “for a life of misery.” 

For the ‘self-esteem’ that Joyce Meyer relentlessly preaches, the Bible uses a different term – pride;

Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18

God opposes everyone who is proud, but blesses all who are humble with undeserved grace. James 4:6

The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise. Psalm 51:17

Is there anything that Joyce Meyer despises more than a “broken spirit” and a “broken and contrite heart”? Is anyone on earth a bigger enemy of true repentance? 

“Trust and rely on Him to take away your hurt and pain and restore you to full and vibrant emotional health,” Meyer writes. And of course, you can’t really “trust and rely on Him” because that’s faith in the grace of God, and Joyce Meyer, as we’ve seen, is faith’s worst enemy – any statement Meyer makes in favor of faith in God’s grace is soon after negated in favor of Joyce Meyer’s faith in herself. So, as always, Meyer goes on to explain that it actually depends on your “diligent obedience” instead; “Healing of emotional wounds is a process,” Meyer adds. “It requires an investment of time and diligent obedience to God’s commands.” That supposed “vibrant emotional health” Meyer flaunts before her followers is thanks to her “diligent obedience to God’s commands”. The grace of God she doesn’t need – according to Meyer she’s keeping God’s commandments just fine all by herself and has the “blessings” to prove it.

But “emotional health” has nothing to do with righteousness; the world is full of “emotionally healthy” people who are evil, greedy manipulators. Christ suffered and died on the cross in order to purchase eternal life for those who believe in him rather than in themselves – eternal life, not the self-love, self-esteem, self-confidence and self-satisfaction, the so-called “vibrant emotional health” that Joyce Meyer mistakes for righteousness.

Christ was “a man of suffering, and familiar with pain,” wrote Isaiah.

I am so sad that I feel as if I am dying,” Jesus says in Mark 14:34 and Matthew 26:38.

Doesn’t that mean that Jesus had what Meyer calls a “complex inner problem, like depression”? “I am nothing but dust and ashes,” said Abraham to God. Wasn’t that a “horrible self-image”? Elijah prayed that God would end his life, “I’ve had enough now, LORD,” he said. “Take my life! I’m no better than my ancestors.” Wasn’t that a “negative confession”? After God finally spoke to him at the conclusion of his story, Job declared, “I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.” Should Job have listened to Joyce Meyer and loved himself instead? “I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people,” wrote David in Psalms. Isn’t that what Joyce Meyer and Nathaniel Branden call “low self-esteem”? “We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags,” Isaiah confessed. Too bad Isaiah never heard of Joyce Meyer – Jesus himself, according to her, has told her “there is a lot right about you”. “Oh, what a miserable person I am!” wrote the Apostle Paul. “Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?” How sad Paul wasn’t as ‘faithful and obedient’ as Joyce Meyer says she is!  

None of these people had what Meyer calls a “healthy, godly view” of themselves and the supposedly “vibrant emotional health” that she claims she has. What miserable losers they all must seem to her followers compared to that self-described “winner” Joyce Meyer! What a pack of what Meyer and the self-help gurus call “negative people”.

What an embarrassing failure Jesus himself must seem to Meyer and her followers with his depressing crucifixion. “Which side of the cross do you want to be on?” Meyer asks in Eat the Cookie, Buy the Shoes and several other books, setting up a false choice; “The crucifixion side or the resurrection side?” Meyer’s going to get her resurrection her way – she wants nothing to do with all the “negativity” of Jesus’ ugly death on a cross, even though it’s at the very heart of the true gospel, the very thing that makes eternal life a living hope, the irrevocable proof of God’s love of humanity.

Is anyone a bigger enemy of that cross than Joyce Meyer? 

The one and only time the Bible mentions ‘self-love’, it warns against it first and foremost among a long list of the reprehensible vices of religious hypocrites; 

There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. Even though they will make a show of being religious, their religion won’t be real. 2 Timothy 3:1-3

And Meyer diabolically perverts the Word of God into a tool to transform her disciples into lovers not just of money, lovers not just of this world, but lovers of themselves as well, boastful and proud, just like her. “What we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake,” wrote the apostle Paul. But Meyer has stuffed herself so full of ‘self-esteem’, has such a high ‘self concept’ and is so in love with herself that it’s she who is the subject of her books and sermons, not Christ, it’s her life she talks about, not Christ’s, it’s her opinions that matter, not his. For every time Jesus’ name is mentioned in this one book, Meyer’s beloved ‘I’ appears over sixty times.

After extolling what she calls the ‘wonder working’ power of self-love, falsely based on Moses’ command to “love your neighbor as yourself”, Meyer never goes on to bother with the “love God” and “love your neighbor” that Moses commanded. For Meyer it’s all about ‘me, me, me’. “Stop blaming yourself and feeling guilty, unworthy and unloved. Instead begin to say, ‘If God is for me, who can be against me? God loves me, and I love myself’,” she concludes. “Praise the Lord, I am free in Jesus’ name, amen.’ ” 

But we are not free in Jesus’ name because we say we are any more than we are kangaroos in Jesus’ name because we say we are. Contrary to the New Thought / Science of Mind / Positive Confession paganism that Meyer and her fellow televangelists are selling under the pretext of a ‘Christian  ministry’, no ‘word of faith’ or ‘positive thinking’ or ‘power thoughts’ could possibly force God into doing anything, including free us. It’s not faith that Meyer is teaching, it’s magical incantation. It’s not the gospel of Jesus Christ, it’s Gnosticism. It’s not the grace of God, it’s sorcery. 

It is only the Son of God, the Word incarnate, to whom alone God has given all power in heaven and earth, that can truly free us; 

“So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:36

The freedom that the Joyce Meyers of the world promise is the freedom to live a “fabulous life” of arrogance, greed, hypocrisy and selfish self-indulgence. But as Peter warns;

They promise freedom, but they themselves are slaves of sin and corruption. 2 Peter 2:19

The freedom that Christ alone can give – freedom from all of our sins –  is not the result of the message of self-love from which Joyce Meyer is making millions but the result of His priceless, selfless and undeserved love, which cost him everything, including his life;

He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross, so that, free from sins, we might live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2.24

This healing, the soul-healing result of mankind’s reconciliation with God, was purchased 2000 years ago by Christ’s death on the cross – the highest price that anyone could possibly pay. We can “stop blaming ourselves” not by blaming others like Joyce Meyer does but by accepting that the Son of God chose to take all blame upon himself for us. We can “stop feeling guilty” not when we believe that we are worthy like Joyce Meyer does but when we come to believe that Jesus, by his suffering and death, atoned for the sins of everyone, for which no one could ever be worthy. And we can know what love really is, not when we selfishly love ourselves like Joyce Meyer does but when we instead receive by faith the unimaginably selfless love of Christ, to which no other love can ever compare;

“This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.” 1 John 3:16

This is the love of God that was revealed to the world in Christ – a love that inspires those who believe in Him to forget about themselves and instead to sincerely love and serve, not themselves, but God and others. 

Chapter 4

WHAT A TOOL WE HAVE IN JESUS

“False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you.” – 2 Peter 2:1

Meyer’s instruction to “Look at yourself in the mirror every morning” and practice ‘positive affirmation’ originates deeper in the self-help grab bag. Norman Vincent Peale prescribed it decades ago in his phenomenal 1952 best-seller called The Power of Positive Thinking. “Look at yourself in the mirror every morning,” Peale wrote, “and say ‘I am a success’.” And that advice has been copied by the self-help gurus ever since. Louise Hay copied it her best-selling You Can Heal Your Life; “The most powerful way to do affirmations is to look in a mirror and say them out loud” wrote Hay. Like Louise Hay, mentioned earlier, Peale was heavily influenced by New Thought, Science of Mind and ‘Religious Science’. And as we’ve seen, Joyce Meyer follows them both to the letter.

But Joyce Meyer goes beyond anything Peale or Hay wrote and insists that people’s spoken words actually have supernatural power; “Words are containers for power,” Meyer claims not just in this book but in 36 other books as recently as last year, “they carry either a life-giving force or a destructive force.” 

“You see, words are containers,” wrote the founder of the ‘Word of Faith’ movement Kenneth Hagin , years before Meyer copied the phrase; “Words create or destroy.” “Words are containers,” echoed ‘Word of Faith’ preacher Charles Capps in 1978. According to Capps, words are not only ‘containers’, they’re an actual deity with supernatural power; “The words that you continually say will be god over the circumstances you face in life”. (Note the lower case “g” in Capps’ “god”.) “Words carry power,” wrote Kenneth Copeland in 1980, “The very forces of life and death are powered by the tongue.” Could the line from Hagin to Capps and Copeland to Meyer be any clearer? 

Imitating all those ‘Word of Faith’ preachers before her, Meyer’s use of Proverbs 18:21 – “The tongue has the power of life and death” – to justify this teaching is laughable;

“See now that I alone am he; there is no God but me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal. No one can rescue anyone from my power.” Deuteronomy 32:39

How does anyone’s tongue compare to that?

Despite that, Meyer claims that you can actually manipulate God’s power by mouthing certain phrases. “Start speaking His Word — words that release His power – and watch Him do something amazing in your life,” Meyer claims in Power Words. That book and others like it by Meyer include long lists of “positive confessions” for her followers to recite in order to “release His power”, though none of them are actually Bible verses at all. Instead of confessions of faith in God, they’re exercises in self-delusion like “Work is good. I enjoy work!” and “I look good, I feel good, and I weigh what God wants me to weigh.” 

In the Bible, angels told its main characters what to do. In Joyce Meyer’s religion, you can use Bible verses to tell angels what to do. “When we confess God’s Word out loud, the angels hear it and go to work for us,” she divulges in The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word. Joyce Meyer claims to know the “secret power” to control angels and you only need to buy her book to learn it. According to Meyer, our own spoken words are so powerful that “we can prophesy (speak forth) the future of our day by what we say at the beginning of it”, she claims in Change Your Words, Change Your Life. “We can actually prophecy our own future,” Meyer writes in The Everyday Life Bible. To whom are we to speak this prophecy? According to Joyce Meyer, into the air; You can speak positive things about yourself into the atmosphere and thereby ‘prophesy your future,” Meyer claims in Ending Your Day Right. How does this sorcery work? “We are reaching into the spiritual realm and drawing out something according to our words,” Meyer explains. Which “spiritual realm” she doesn’t say. 

“We can appropriate the blessings of God in our lives if we will continually and purposefully speak about ourselves what the Word of God says about us,” Meyer writes in Straight Talk on Insecurity and five other books. “Appropriate” is certainly the right word for it – Webster’s defines the verb as “take (something) for one’s own use, typically without the owner’s permission.” According to Joyce Meyer, your Almighty word will get you those ‘blessings’ whether God wants you to or not. 

This belief in magical incantation  – “a series of words spoken as a magic spell” says Websters, “formulaic recitations which describe the desired outcome” says the Anchor Bible Dictionary – isn’t new to Joyce Meyer. Despite the origins of this “Secret Power” in the occult, the founder of the ‘Religious Science’ movement, Ernest Holmes, passed it off as Christian over a century ago and it has been passed on by the self-help gurus and ‘word of faith’ preachers who have followed him ever since.  Louise Hay was a minister of Holmes’ ‘Religious Science’ sect, and according to Norman Vincent Peale it was Ernest Holmes himself who “made me a positive thinker.” 

Though Holmes called himself Christian his teachings were anything but; “Who is Christ?” he wrote almost 100 years ago, “… not the only begotten Son of God” [emphasis in the original]. Instead, according to Holmes, everyone is Christ; “We are now as much the son of God as we can ever become,” he claimed. And who is God? “…I understand that the life I live is God. Amen. And so It Is.” The dark influence of Ernest Holmes lurks behind Joyce Meyer’s every book and sermon.

According to Holmes his words are God’s words; “My word is the presence, power and activity of the Truth which is within me, which is Almighty, which is God. There is none other,” Holmes wrote in 1923; “We speak the word, it is brought to pass.”  Following Holmes and the New Thought “Law of Attraction” principle that he and his followers teach, Meyer claims that our words are Almighty as well; “If we speak negatively, we will have negative experiences. On the other hand, if we speak positively, we will see good, positive things happen in our lives,“ she explains inThe Secret to True Happiness, and Power Words. “If we speak positive and good things, then we minister life to ourselves,” she writes in The Power of Being Thankful and Living Beyond Your Feelings

The Bible teaches:

The one who has the Son has life. The one who doesn’t have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12

And Christ himself teaches:

“… the Son gives life to anyone he chooses.” John 5:21

But according to Joyce Meyer you don’t need Jesus at all in order to “minister life” to yourself – you can do it with your very own ‘positive’ word power. 

You don’t even have to humble yourself and pray to the deity that Joyce Meyer preaches – he’s so weak you can push him around with your tongue; “Tell God every day that you are expecting something amazingly good to happen to you,” she asserts in Change Your Words, Change Your Life. And if something horribly bad happens to you instead it’s your own fault for not ordering God around properly like Joyce Meyer supposedly does.

And that is exactly the opposite of faith.

 How does Joyce Meyer know she has this magical word-power? As usual, by making her sock-puppet Jesus say whatever suits her; “‘Call things that are not as though they were,’ He said. ‘Stop rehearsing the problem and start speaking forth the solution according to My Word!’” she writes in The Confident Mom.

“Call things that are not as though they are,” Meyer tells her followers in Ending Your Day Right, The Power of Being Thankful, New Day New You, Power Thoughts and Seven Things that Steal Your Joy.

According to God’s actual Word rather than Joyce Meyer’s, who alone has the power to “Call things that are not as though they were”?

That would be the real God…

“….the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.” Romans 4:17

…not Joyce Meyer.

Jesus taught…

“Have faith in God; truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Mark 11: 22-23

But like those ‘Word of Faith’ preachers before her, Joyce Meyer isn’t preaching faith in God, Joyce Meyer is preaching faith in the supposed magical power of her words to manipulate God. Joyce Meyer doesn’t serve God, Joyce Meyer believes that by using her supposed supernatural thought and word powers she has made God into a tool that she can use to serve herself. How many of her followers are reading her books and listening to her sermons hoping to learn how to master the sorcery that will let them manipulate God to get them what they want too, just like Meyer says she does?

Despite claiming that your words are ‘Almighty,’ Ernest Holmes warns that you have to be careful not to negate the supposed supernatural power of ‘positive confession’ with a ‘negative confession’, or you’ll end up with “zero power”: “We send out the word and it sets the power in motion. Then we think the opposite thing which neutralizes the first word and zero is the result,” he writes in The Creative Mind, 1918.The trouble is that we are speaking the word and in the next breath we are denying its power by saying something that contradicts it.” 

“I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to operate at zero power,” Meyer writes in A Leader in the Making, Battlefield of the Mind Bible, God’s Greatest Gifts and over a dozen other books. “I don’t want to have a positive confession for two or three days and a negative one for two or three days so that I am back to zero again.” Joyce Meyer copies Holmes almost word for word a hundred years after him except that, according to Meyer, it wasn’t Ernest Holmes she got it from – as always, she claims that God himself personally told her this. “God spoke to me one time and said, “Many people operate with zero power because they are always mixing the positives and the negatives. They have a positive confession for a little while, then a negative confession for a little while,” she writes.

Meyer may think it’s the voice of God, but it sounds exactly like the spirit of Ernest Holmes.

How did Jesus feel about this “positive confession” doctrine? When he revealed to his disciples that his fate was to be crucified as a criminal, Peter reprimanded him for making such a “negative confession” …

“Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things. But Jesus turned around, looked at his disciples, and rebuked Peter. “Get away from me, Satan,” he said. “Your thoughts don’t come from God but from human nature!”  Mark 8:33

According to Christ it’s from Satan, not God. So where did Joyce Meyer, Ernest Holmes, the ‘Word of Faith’ preachers, and the self-help gurus get it?

Like the other televangelists, Meyer attempts to justify this teaching by over and over misquoting the King James Version of Proverbs 23:7. Referring to a host who pretends to be generous but isn’t, the KJV text reads “For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.” Meyer rewrites the verse in Proverbs to make it say “as a man thinks” in Battlefield of the Mind and 27 other books. In ten more books she claims “Another translation states, ‘As a man thinks in his heart, so does he become’.” But, like so many of Meyer’s claims, that is false – no translation puts it that way.

It’s easy to see why Meyer insists on using the KJV version of Proverbs 23:7 even though she deliberately misquotes it. The best translations put it completely differently…

Do not eat the food of a begrudging host,
do not crave his delicacies;
for he is the kind of person
who is always thinking about the cost. Proverbs 23:7

The verse doesn’t even remotely say what Joyce Meyer claims it says in 37 different books.

Since neither “as a man thinketh” nor “as a man thinks” appear in any Bible translation of Proverbs 23:7, where does the phrase come from? The quote originates in the title of a classic of ‘New Thought’ literature called As a Man Thinketh, written in 1903 by James Allen. The book itself is based on ‘Science of Mind’ principles, Hindu mysticism and shreds of Greek philosophy, and despite its King James English title it nowhere quotes the Bible. Norman Vincent Peale quoted the same “As a man thinketh” phrase repeatedly in his books and readily acknowledged the influence of James Allen’s book on his writing. Joyce Meyer never acknowledges anyone.

All this shows how Joyce Meyer has cooked up her teachings: by stirring a boiling pot of the doctrines of the ‘Prosperity Gospel’ and ‘Word of Faith’ preachers, adding heaping dollops of the advice of the best-selling pop psychologists, self-help gurus, and ‘spiritual teachers’, tossing in plenty of chopped and shredded Bible verses, squeezing in a little twisted Jesus and – Hocus pocus! –  out climbs something all those best-selling self-help gurus could only dream of, a tax-exempt “Christian ministry”. For every new fad in the self-help genre, Meyer has cranked out a Bibled-up version in response, happily distorting and perverting its verses to fit it while claiming that she miraculously got it all by direct communication from none other than God Himself.

It should also be clear by now exactly what Joyce Meyer means when she says “Make sure what you are following is in line with the Word of God.” For Joyce Meyer, “God’s Word” is not what the Bible says God says – like it was with Ernest Holmes, to Joyce Meyer “God’s Word” is whatever Joyce Meyer says. 

Jeremiah had something to say about such false prophets over 2000 years ago;

“These prophets are telling lies in my name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts.” Jeremiah 14:14

 

 

Conclusion

GIVE ME THAT OLD-TIME DECEPTION

“In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with deceptive words.” 2 Peter 2:3

 

Many more examples could be given from Joyce Meyer’s books and sermons showing how completely “out of line” her teachings are with the words of the Bible in general and the message of Christ and his gospel in particular. The issues covered here are not occasional errors on Meyer’s part but the very foundation on which all of her teachings are built. 

Recall at the start that Meyer wrote:

“There is a lot of spiritual ‘junk’ being offered today, and some of it sounds so good and feels so right. Make sure what you are following is in line with the Word of God and is initiated by His Holy Spirit.”

Meyer’s books and sermons are full of folksy stories and happy Bible verses carefully chosen to “sound so good and feel so right” but they are only the sweet bait for the deadly spiritual poison that is at the core of the false gospel that she preaches.  As we’ve seen in the chapters above, Meyer teaches her disciples to reject the suffering and death of Christ that atoned for the sins of the world and to believe in themselves instead, like she does; to reject the true blessings of God –  the forgiveness of our sins and the hope of eternal life with Christ – and to run after the bogus ‘blessings’ of money, power and fame instead, like she does; to reject the selfless love of Christ that opened the doors of heaven and to selfishly love themselves instead, like she does; and to reject the Word of God and to follow her word instead, just like she does. 

“Do not prophesy to us what is right;
speak to us smooth things,
prophesy illusions,
leave the way, turn aside from the path,
let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.”  Isaiah 30:10-11

Even as she hypocritically calls Christ, the Holy One of Israel, “our example and role model” Meyer loudly and proudly leads her followers to a life of arrogance, of greed, of egotism, of hypocrisy, of lies, of self-righteousness and of selfish self-indulgence  – a life just like Joyce’s, a life full of the rotten fruit of a corrupt tree, a life that is in every way contrary to both the example and the teachings of Christ. 

After reading these few pages, one thing should be very clear: to follow Joyce Meyer is to reject Jesus Christ. 

My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow me.

They will never follow a stranger.  

John 10:4-5

 


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Books and articles that examine in depth the origins of the anti-gospel that Meyer and her fellow anti-Christs are teaching:

The Seduction of Christianity, by Dave Hunt and T A McMahon “Anyone who imagines that because he thinks certain thoughts or speaks certain words God must respond in a certain way, has slipped into sorcery, and, if not playing God, is at the very least attempting to manipulate God.”

A Different Gospel, by Dan R McConnell “The Faith teachers interpret the cross of Jesus exclusively in terms of the benefits it confers upon the believer, such as prosperity. In so doing they create a mind-set in their followers which is entirely antithetical to the true meaning of the cross.”  

Christianity in Crisis, by Hank Hanegraaff   “Men such as Joel Osteen and women like Joyce Meyer are living proof that error begets error and heresy begets heresy.”  

Two theologians examine the effects of belief in the ‘prosperity gospel’ and conclude:
“There can be no compassion for those who are not prosperous, for clearly they have not followed the rules and thus live in failure and are not loved by God. …. The prosperity gospel also gives voice to another of the great heresies of our time, namely Gnosticism. It affirms that reality can be changed by the powers of the mind.”
https://www.laciviltacattolica.com/the-prosperity-gospel-dangerous-and-different/

Two psychologists examine the effects of Meyer’s ‘positive thinking’ doctrine and conclude:
“… the level of thought disciplining that Meyer and Osteen propose is inherently impossible. It predisposes the subject to perceptual continual failing, creating anxiety and internal conflict.” 
https://www.academia.edu/45478721/Overcoming_the_Battlefield_of_the_Mind

For a Manifesto by Paul Massey, a former employee of Joyce Meyer, explaining why he left the Meyer organization and the ‘Prosperity Gospel’ belief system altogether, click here. For a video interview of Paul and his wife Emily, also a former employee of Meyer’s, examining why they left, click here.

For a deeper look into Meyer’s ‘Word of Faith’ roots click here. But note that although Meyer’s books claim she has an “earned PhD” she has never taken any college classes, much less earned a PhD.

For an example of a ‘New Age’ endorsement of Joyce Meyer click here. Though the site mentions Christ, note that “The Voice for Love uses the term ‘Christ’ to mean ‘the Divine Consciousnes [sic] with humankind.’”

For a first-person account of the rotten fruit of “Word of Faith”, Susan Puzio writes in  Seed Faith- Can a Man Bribe God?  “I never heard of anyone confessing they wanted cancer, yet ‘Word of Faith’ people say oh, he or she must have had a bad confession, or they must have had sin in their life. We were the most uncompassionate bunch going. We were to love people, yet we looked down on the sick.”

Thank you for your time.

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    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on May 21, 2011 at 11:49 pm

      Thanks!

    • Revd. Joan Nicholls's avatar Revd. Joan Nicholls said, on October 3, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      What a load of rubbish, God turned my life around through the teachings of Joyce, her down to earth way of telling the bible as it is, helped me out of anxiety and depression. I have been a Christian for 33 years, sadly,much of that was taken up managing my emotions. It’s over twenty years now since I first encountered Joyce’s teaching and, praise God, my last nervous breakdown. You say she quotes a lot of if’s, but the bible does actually, IF my people who are called by my name etc etc…..THEN I will,……Jesus always teaches us to do things His way if we want to prosper, not just financially but in every area of our lives. I am not a wealthy person, but I am blessed beyond measure. I was part of the Pentecostal church until God called me into the Priesthood where I now serve as an ordained priest in the Church of England. I would still endorse Joyce and her sound biblical teaching to anyone struggling In their faith. God Bless her I say.

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on December 22, 2017 at 3:15 am

        How sad that a person who calls his or her self a “cleric” should reject the eternal life and wholeness that Christ purchased by his death on the cross for everyone and choose instead the self-centered nostrums of the self-help gurus, peddled by a “prosperity gospel” television preacher!

        Recall that at the start of her book Meyer herself says, “There is a lot of spiritual ‘junk’ being offered today, and some of it sounds so good and feels so right. Make sure what you are following is in line with the Word of God and is initiated by His Holy Spirit.”

        As my article makes clear, according to that same Word of God, what Meyer teaches is neither.

        And, fortunately, calling the teachings of Christ and the apostles “rubbish” does not make them so, even if it’s a paid Church of England “Reverend” doing it.

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on July 6, 2024 at 8:11 pm

      What you say makes no sense really. God asked him to do this and that it is basically saying if without saying if. What is the difference because you didn’t really state that.

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on July 8, 2024 at 11:02 am

        The saddest thing is that people don’t foresee the consequences of choosing the lies of someone like Joyce Meyer over the truth of God’s own Word.

  1. William Zabel's avatar William Zabel said, on May 20, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Joyce is another wolf in sheeps clothing like Kenneth Copeland. What shocked me evenmore than her teachings is the fact that she sends teenage girls out into crime ridden neighborhoods of St. Louis to help people. Her Dream Center where she sends girls out from admits that they had a few near sexual assaults on some of their girls. I honestly think after hearing that this woman is just plain evil.

    Also, have you noticed she obsesses over her childhood rape by her father. It is creepy the way she keeps bringing it up all the time. She also mentions that she was raped between 200 and 500 hundred times. I don’t believe it for a moment.

    Also she is now in trouble because of a murder that happened (not sure of the details) but something she said is believed to have caused the suspect to act against an innocent man. She had to testify in private due to the fact that this person worked for U.S. Government and had a security clearance.

    What could a so-called innocent preacher do to get someone killed?

    Scary indeed.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on May 21, 2011 at 4:23 am

      The relationship between Meyer and the “Word of Faith” preachers like Copeland from whom she derived much of her ideology is worth pointing out, so thank you for mentioning it. What Meyer did that made her such a “success” was to stir heaping dollops of the “New Age” pop psychology that was made so popular by Oprah Winfrey’s guests into the WOF doctrinal stew.

      Take this quote, typical of the WOF beliefs Meyer is promoting, from her book “The Secret of Happiness”:
      “If we speak negatively, we will have negative experiences. On the other hand, if we speak positively, we will see good, positive things happen in our lives.” p192

      Think about this for a minute; where is God in this? If Christ has all power in heaven and earth, how can some other power that Meyer repeatedly claims exists in “the tongue” control what happens in our lives? Why not instead humbly pray in faith and ask Christ to exercise his power? That’s easy –because Meyer doesn’t believe in Christ, she believes in herself and if anything good happens in her life, it’s thanks to her supposedly manipulating God into making it happen with her magical word power.

      I haven’t been following the murder trial but I do know that Meyer requires her “Joyce Meyer Ministries” employees to sign a highly unusual “confidentiality agreement” -making them swear to keep secret “matters pertaining to members of management which are considered personal or private by them”.

      This alone should give her followers pause as to just what kind of “Woman of God” Joyce Meyer is.

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  4. thereformedtraveler's avatar thereformedtraveler said, on July 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Ah yes, the fairy princess! I’d really like a look at Meyer’s library shelves to see what lurks…Christian Science and mind science teachings by the truck loads, no doubt. Love the title, Joyce vs Jesus! All Joyce No Jesus. Thanks for post, looking forward to further writings exposing this heretic. As you said Ken..”the truth should be clear: to follow Joyce Meyer is to reject Jesus Christ.” Amen.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on July 27, 2011 at 2:54 am

      Thank you for the compliment!
      I would only comment that from reading way more of Meyer’s books than anyone should, I get the distinct impression that literacy is not one of Meyer’s strong points.

  5. Jennifer's avatar Jennifer said, on August 4, 2011 at 1:16 am

    Thank you for taking the time to analyze and expose Joyce’s teachings for what they are.

  6. Susan's avatar Susan said, on August 11, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Hello
    I appreciate the insights and they are true there is a gap between what JM shares and what God’s word has to say about. But our God is sovereign He sees from heaven He is the Judge of this world He will Judge her himself not you. Preach and teach the truth to those who are lost and leave JM she will be judged by God. Pray for her and hope that all those that listen to her may know the truth.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on September 7, 2011 at 12:49 am

      If standing by and praying that they’ll be helped while watching your friends sink in quicksand is your idea of doing God’s will, then I feel very sorry for your friends.

      • Ray Stoltzfus's avatar Ray Stoltzfus said, on July 3, 2022 at 9:14 pm

        Idle hands do the devils work!! I liken Joyce Meyer to a Pharisee.

      • Nomi Jean Bird's avatar Nomi Jean Bird said, on November 7, 2023 at 7:03 pm

        “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the same measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:1-2 (NIV)

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 12, 2023 at 3:43 pm

        Showing that a televangelist’s teachings are a tool of Satan is not being “judgmental” it’s shining a light into the darkness. Some just love the darkness more.

    • Nomi Jean Bird's avatar Nomi Jean Bird said, on November 7, 2023 at 6:53 pm

      Thank you for bringing this out.
      “Do not judge, or you too will be judged, for in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:1-2 (NIV)

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 13, 2023 at 7:37 am

        How wretched to use Jesus’ own words against him!
        Jesus publicly called the scribes and Pharisees liars and hypocrites for perverting the words of Moses, yet Joyce Meyer is loudly and proudly perverting the words of Christ himself into the exact opposite of everything he teaches – and she’s made millions doing it.

  7. Susan's avatar Susan said, on August 11, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Oh and here is clarification in Romans 2vs7

    “To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism. “

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 5, 2011 at 9:23 pm

      “Self-seeking” is a good phrase here. It’s hard to imagine a person more fragrantly self-seeking than Joyce Meyer. It’s who she is and what she does, and rather than being ashamed, she’s proud of it and holds herself up as the example for her followers.

  8. esloetjes's avatar esloetjes said, on October 1, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Thank you so much for this article. I printed it off and now I am waiting on the Lord and praying about when to present this information to my mother-in-law. I have been puzzled for so long how she spends countless hours doing ‘devotions’ but then at the same point she seems so money hungry and materialistic and her priorities do not always seem to follow what the bible says. I really believe this is the reason why. She watches her every day and among her hundreds of books, she has many Joyce Meyer books. She even gave me one for Christmas. I read a couple of sentences and felt sick to my stomach. I read the bible a lot and the ‘feeling of it’ is so different from her books. No humbleness, servanthood, gentleness, lovingness etc…. I couldn’t even bring myself to give it to goodwill ….. I threw it out. It is not nice to see what her false teachings are doing to countless women. We are to be watchful for false teachers. Thank you for this.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 5, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      Thank you so much for taking the time to write. I really didn’t know when I first wrote this if anyone would read it or it would do any good, so it’s good to know that it was worth the time. Many more chapters could be written.

  9. Renita's avatar Renita said, on December 3, 2011 at 1:41 am

    When I heard her speak of Madame Guyon and her respect for this woman it was the final nail in the coffin.

  10. sonja's avatar sonja said, on December 22, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    I just find it sad that people dont want to read the Bible anymore… I strongly believe that many atheists reject our Lord, and His Word, without knowing it – by just making rough deductions based on life and how it’s unfolding, and unfortunately also often based on Christians’ lives (unfortunately myself included!). (I encourage myself by the fact that Jesus came for the ‘sick’, not the ‘healthy’…)We are in this ‘over-writing-books’-phase. Everyone starts writing up life-stories – and everyone’s stories and interpretations become more important than the plain text of the Bible.

    People WANT idols – the ‘idol’/’star’ (if we MUST) of our World – Jesus, the Lord Himself, is not good enough – just like in the OT: God did not want a ‘king’ for the Israelites, yet the Israelites wanted a King just like the other nations…And look at what some of those kings came up with/got the Israelites into…

    People need a fancy diet to loose weight…. and how do you loose weight: eat less and do more exercise – Yet every year a new ‘wonder-weight-loss-scheme’ appears (with a rich person behind it!)….. Same with our lives and our salvation: read the Word and accept what our Lord and friend wants for us. Don’t defer to (often damaged)people’s interpretations. There may be some truths but NEVER the whole truth, and often mis-truths!

    I also also really really have a problem with people using the free gift of our salvation, as the source of their writing and income…. Should you be in the awesome position to be able to help someone to get more sense of life and being eternally saved, I just cannot comprehend that you could earn (any more than a basic living if really necessary!) a luxury lifestyle through it. When Jesus was put to shame, embarrassed, and killed for me, FOR FREE, so I could live eternally and free…

    Thank you for the information and interpretations above.

    • Crystal's avatar Crystal said, on May 9, 2012 at 3:16 am

      “I also also really really have a problem with people using the free gift of our salvation, as the source of their writing and income…. Should you be in the awesome position to be able to help someone to get more sense of life and being eternally saved, I just cannot comprehend that you could earn (any more than a basic living if really necessary!) a luxury lifestyle through it. When Jesus was put to shame, embarrassed, and killed for me, FOR FREE, so I could live eternally and free…”

      I agree! With all that money she has tied up in her possessions, think of how much she could be HELPING those in need… Children with no homes, the countless people who are without work, the poor and the hungry and the hurting. Those who NEED to feel the LOVE of Christ! She could be helping with disaster relief or by sending missionaries to the unreached around the world! She even has the private jet to get people there! But instead she’s too busy in her multi-million dollar home. We need to pray that God would humble her and show her how wrong she is.

      My pastor has written two books. He self-published one on lulu.com, bought 1000 copies and is basically giving them away. He asks for donations to help break even, but he’s not looking to make a profit… He just wants to get the Gospel out there for people to read. Why can’t other “Christian authors” be more like that? Who cares if we have wealth on earth? We’re storing up treasures in Heaven! But by all means necessary, let’s spread the love of Christ!

  11. Tereasa's avatar Tereasa said, on December 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Joyce is saying that if we live our lives right with Gods word we will be blessed whether it be here or heaven. You can take pieces of what she says just as the politicians do and twist it to mean what you want it to. Just as scriptures you need to read the whole thing to understand the context of it all. I have listened to Joyce and many other preachers and what you have picked out here I believe is little parts taken out of context. But we get different things out of what people say. I just believe its sad when someone loves God and another is persecuting them for that!! Just try to love everyone for who they are and not pick them apart and you wont have to live your life judging everyone else. But you see things differently than I do. I love God and you, so I’ll be praying for you! Have a blessed day!!

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on January 18, 2013 at 5:59 am

      Joyce Meyer began by saying “Make sure what you are following is in line with the Word of God and is initiated by His Holy Spirit.”
      Applying that to her as well is not “persecuting her” but doing what every Christian has an obligation to do, which is determining whether a person’s teachings are true or false.

      If you truly love someone you will do all you can to keep them from following lies, knowing that lies will lead them to hell and away from God.

    • zip's avatar zip said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:34 pm

      “Can’t we all just get along ….”
      That premise is what is ruining this country as well.
      If you are not dividing the word of God as HE would have you do, you are lost in this world of confusion and lies.
      It’s a nice thought BUT is it grounded and rooted in God’s Truth if not it’s dung.
      You can say you love someone but if you don’t give them God’s truth, His Way (2 Tim2:15) how much is the Love of God truly in you?
      This cotton-candy talk is a waste and is satanic in nature.
      Get into Rightly Dividing the Word of God and you’ll see what I’m talking about. If you reject it … you’re rejecting what you ‘humbly’ profess as what you base your life on and your being. “To me to live is Christ.” If that’s not you, then you’re not of Christ.

      • abey's avatar abey said, on March 3, 2014 at 3:36 pm

        It is becoming increasingly clear “God or Mammon”. Commercial interests profits through “Sodomic” agendas surpassing moral aspects of basic life & its structure the Family. To this is the “Sodom” itself came as the marker through Devils basic tool called “To Unsurp”. Topping this is the Complacency even unto the words of Jesus “Remember Lot’s wife” to the sodom, much relevant today. All that comes out from the likes of the Joycees is but to “Itching ears” making it to be “god & mammon”. And lo they preach another Gospel not to the salvation hence another christ. The simple Prophecy of looking up the Brazen serpent in the Wilderness which is but to the words of Jesus “Pick up your crosses & follow me daily” for by doing do one equates with Him, to say “Crucify thy Flesh” for the Brazen serpent on the pole represents one’s own sinful flesh. Do any of these preach this highly inconvenient, but integral truth, to the salvation.

    • Dee Orcutt's avatar Dee Orcutt said, on June 18, 2015 at 8:12 pm

      Amen, Teresa. I have watched Joyce Meyer’s sermons for many years now, & have been to one of her conferences. I had been bypassing her when I saw her on the tv. Then, one day, the Holy Spirit “told” me I needed to stop & listen to her. I have watched her ever since; & I have never gotten any idea that she is a “prosperity preacher.” She is a down-to-earth, tell it like it is woman of God who is trying to help us live our everyday lives. Sure she has a lot… God has richly blessed her…. but she also gives away a lot. She goes out of her way to help people. Joyce Meyer has really helped me in my walk w/ God!

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on July 4, 2015 at 12:56 am

        This is another good example of the cult-like blindness of Meyer’s followers.

        Note that this person nowhere mentions any faith in Christ at all; her faith is in Joyce not in Jesus and it’s Joyce’s example she is following, not Christ’s.

        A good example of that is the statement “God has richly blessed her”. If this person had actually read my article, she’d soon learn that money is no more proof of being “blessed” than Mammon is the equivalent of God. Jesus teaches “Blessed are the poor” and “Woe to the rich.”

        He couldn’t possibly make it more clear.

      • Kristen's avatar Kristen said, on November 13, 2015 at 5:45 pm

        Your reply Kenneth shows your personal bias and not the love of God. Dee did not directly say she puts her faith in Christ, but she also did not directly say she put her faith in Joyce Meyers. You CHOSE to read into her comment that she puts her faith in Joyce Meyers, when she clearly states the Holy Spirit lead her to JM. In this she is saying she put hers faith in God and that God would not have led her to JM unless there was something there for her to learn. You are reading into things that are not there to suit your own purposes. JM is not perfect that is why you DO NOT put your faith in her, or any other person for that matter. You only can put your faith in God and Christ. If you hold any one on earth to be infallible you are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment. Christ is the only person who has walked this earth who you can put your faith in.

        I also noticed how you do not reply to Dee, but about her. This leads me to wonder if you are looking for a platform and not to help people. If you really want to help someone you need to reply to them, not reply about them. I believe you are doing what you think is right, but I think you need to pray and leave your biases “at the door.”

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on January 29, 2016 at 8:21 pm

        Dee made it perfectly clear that she follows the teachings of Meyer while rejecting those of Christ when she called Meyer “blessed” –referring to the millions of dollars Meyer has made by selling Jesus. “Sure she has a lot… God has richly blessed her”, is how Dee puts it. Jesus utterly condemns what Meyer practices and what Dee tries to justify. The Holy Spirit leads people to follow the teachings of Christ, not to reject them and do the opposite.

        I didn’t reply to Dee because, if you read her post, Dee didn’t address her post to me but to Theresa, about whose comment she was referring. If Theresa wishes to respond to Dee, she’s welcome to do so. If Dee addresses me directly I will respond directly.

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on November 4, 2023 at 10:51 pm

        Totally agree! I listen to her podcast every day and have been to 2 conference. I’ve never experienced anything but good coming from her. I guess you make yourself feel better by tearing someone else down by writing this garbage.

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 12, 2023 at 3:15 pm

        Please show us where anything written in this “garbage” is incorrect or untrue. Thank you.
        As for “making yourself feel better” reading Meyer’s writings and hearing her speak are genuinely painful for anyone who believes in Christ rather than in her. It’s like watching a puppy get run over by a steam roller over and over again. Meyer crucifies Christ again and again with every new book and every new sermon.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on February 19, 2022 at 5:25 pm

      This is another sad example of the blindness of Meyer’s followers – this person likes what Meyer says whether or not it’s true and anyone who exposes the falseness of Meyer’s teaching is accused of being “judgemental”.
      Christ teaches his followers to “judge not by appearances but use righteous judgement” and Meyer relentlessly showcases nothing but appearance; her deeds, her supposed righteousness, her “fabulous life”, her stories, not Christ.

      Pointing out the hypocrisy and lies of false teachers is not “bashing” anyone, it’s simply following the example and teaching of Christ –two things Meyer religiously refuses to do.

  12. abey's avatar abey said, on February 19, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    She who was saved by Christ & became extremely prosperous could not (Neglected) her own troubled younger brother who died a miserable death, dead for a month in his room before he was noticed & on this she talks the Evolutionary term – survival of the fittest ? contrary to the theory of intelligence which to Christ is “Live to let live”.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on March 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm

      Good point!

      Referring to the gospel story of Christ’s healing of the paralytic, Meyer claims her brother…

      “… just wanted to lay by the pool another year, feel sorry for himself, blame somebody and remain crippled….I got tired of laying by the pool and I decided to wiggle.”

      Contrary to Meyer’s version of the story, in the actual gospel account, Jesus finds the paralytic alone by the pool, unable to move to the pool by himself at all, constantly hoping someone would carry him there to be healed. Instead, Jesus personally heals him on the spot.

      Meyer reveals the essence of her false “gospel” in her statement about “wiggling” to the pool to be healed by its waters. She is not going to be saved by Christ but by her own efforts, to her own praise and glory and not to Christ’s. She will be her own savior; Jesus she doesn’t need.

      Worse, Meyer sums up the comparison between her life and that of her brother, who died penniless, this way…

      ““My personal effects and his personal effects are sadly different. What are your personal effects going to be when your time’s up?”

      This is an open confession of the complete moral and spiritual bankruptcy of Joyce Meyer. It’s not eternal life in Christ that matters to her ‘when your time’s up’ – to her, it’s the one with the most money who wins. And that means her.

      • Designs by Dianne's avatar Designs by Dianne said, on August 27, 2013 at 3:14 pm

        I tried telling a female ‘friend’ of this truth (plus, share with her “rightly division of the word of truth” 2 Tim 2:15 – which she rejects) and she turned on me, harshly. I experienced this with a Beth Moore follower too. Speak anything negative about these ‘women motivational speakers’, and their ‘christian’ fans will attack you; blame you for being judgmental and reject you. For being taught to be ‘in control of their thinking and emotions’ their response goes against the reality of their actions, with a ‘mean spirit’ which they accuse the messenger of!
        I hope you have some tips how to share these truths so that I don’t lose anymore ‘friends!’

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on October 2, 2013 at 6:11 am

        Jesus lost a lot of friends for telling them the truth. If it happens to you for that reason, it’s proof that you’re following Christ.
        If you’re following the world, as Jesus says, the world will love you.

  13. Michelle's avatar Michelle said, on August 28, 2013 at 4:28 am

    I love God. He transforms. His Word and the Trinity are evident. A relationship is real. What moved me from carnal, immature Christian living to a Spiritual realm was time in the Word and with God. These were motivated by two main sources: Joyce Meyer and the book, “Jesus Calling”. Joyce continually states to meditate upon the WORD; stay within the boundaries of the Bible; the Bible is the best book in the world.

    The context of the quotes in these online “calling out false teachers” sites are just not is accurate; it is a bit and piece of the story and biblical principles Joyce shares – like the six men and the elephant story – step back and take in the entire picture.

    Joyce continues to change, she is not who she was in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, etc. I continue to transform also, I’m not who I was two years ago. May we all continue to grow, lifting one another up.

    For me, these scriptures are profound… and remember, Love is patient and kind.
    1 Thes 5:16-19 ~ Pslam 91:1-2 ~ John 14:27 ~ Gal 5:22-23 ~ Eph 4:29

    p.s. There are many “IFs” in the bible; we do play a role in the fruition of many promises.

    We are promised heaven in our belief in Christ, no works, but only IF we believe.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on October 2, 2013 at 6:18 am

      The quotes in this article are all from books that Joyce Meyer is still selling by the millions, and still raking in piles of money from them.
      If she no longer believes what she says in them, for what reason other than greed does she keep selling them?

      Those who aren’t blind can see the elephant quite clearly.

  14. abey's avatar abey said, on October 2, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    To attend her ‘Seminars” is to realize the truth ‘It is not about Jesus but about Joyce Mayer” Wherein lies the danger to getting hooked up to making ears into Chocolates, & thus become to controls even to feed Apostasy.

  15. Melito Maldez's avatar Melito Maldez said, on June 15, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Ken, thanks for taking the time to dissect just a small sample of Joyce Meyer’s “teachings” to expose her for what she is….a fake….a charlatan….a self-serving narcissist. She’s not a minister….she peddles Christianity for everything she can squeeze out it, while stuffing her accounts with millions upon millions of dollars…then she flies home to her mansion on the Meyer’s private jet to count her latest take. The woman disgusts me.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on August 2, 2015 at 11:35 pm

      Thank you for your comment.

      Meyer is unfortunately just following doggedly in the footsteps of any number of male “prosperity gospel” preachers before her, carving out her own lucrative niche among a female audience.

      The only one of them to ever see their error and repent was James Bakker, who eventually took the time to actually read the Bible he claimed to be teaching while in prison…

      “The more I studied the Bible, however, I had to admit that the prosperity message did not line up with the tenor of Scripture. My heart was crushed to think that I led so many people astray. I was appalled that I could have been so wrong, and I was deeply grateful that God had not struck me dead as a false prophet!”

      Jim Bakker, I Was Wrong. Nashville, Tennessee: Thomas Nelson, 1996 (ISBN 0785274251), p. 535.

      It’s my forever prayer that Joyce Meyer –or any of her fellow ‘Prosperity Gospel’ television preachers –would repent and renounce their arrogance, greed, and selfish self-exaltation and choose instead to follow the example and teach the teachings of Christ.

  16. Samantha Reed's avatar Samantha Reed said, on April 9, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    DO ANY OF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST TO RUN A WORLD WIDE MINISTRY , WITH MANY DIFFERENT OUTREACHES ??????????????????????
    PLUS ALL OTHER COSTS, AM SURE YOU DON’T THINK OF..
    AND—-SHE PUTS ALL HER TIME,MIND,EFFORT,EMOTION INTO SHARING, CONNECTING TO RELATE TO REAL PEOPLE THAT MY OF BEEN THROUGH THINGS THAT KNOW ONE LIKES TO TALK ABOUT.
    SO THEY TO CAN COME OUT ON TOP

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on June 29, 2016 at 10:08 pm

      Jesus example was to give up everything, even to the point of suffering and death, for the sake of others.
      Meyer’s example is to use Christ as a tool to get money, power and a following so she can “come out on top”.

      You call it a “Ministry” but the one Meyer is serving, “ministering to”, is herself, not Christ or others.
      Unfortunately, those who are as greedy and selfish as she is, gladly follow her example, the blind leading the blind into the ditch.

    • toozluv's avatar toozluv said, on October 10, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      Jesus didn’t make a fortune off the bad things that happened to Him. He rejected worldly things.
      If He could disappear in the middle of a crowd, heal the sick, bring back the dead, and walk on water, He could certainly have been rich if He wanted to. He DIDN’T want to – and he successfully preached his word to the masses without spending a dime. I’d pray really hard if I were you for God to reveal any lies you are walking in. Joyce Meyer does not preach the Word of God, she preaches the word of self – especially her self.

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on October 10, 2019 at 5:12 pm

        Amen, and thank you for the comment.
        Rather than making money from his religion, Christ gave up everything, including his own life, for the sake of everyone –when he went to the cross he was stripped of even his underwear. Yet Meyer expects her followers to admire her for all the millions she’s made selling Jesus!

  17. Sunny's avatar Sunny said, on February 26, 2018 at 2:24 am

    From what I have read here, all of you seem to be among the many other Joyce Meyer bashers as this is yet another Joyce bashing website! Surprise surprise. Everything I’ve ever studied amongst Joyce’s books is about faith not works.
    Nowhere has she said otherwise. It is you who has misinterpreted her meanings, suggesting in simple easy to understand and in practical ways to apply it to your everyday lives as her program states, it’s just her general way of helping those who don’t understand. Your bashing sounds like jealousy. To bash her and pick her apart as you have and to try and convince others that she is against Christ and is misrepresenting Him, is very wrong and ignorant and arrogant of you!!

    Your poisoned postings are heretical. Only God can judge. NOT YOU or any other in this forum! You seem to think your righteous in posting your judgements of her, and at the same time trying to convince others to believe what you say is correct. It shows just how Slack you are in your own knowledge of God and of little faith ye truly have!

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on February 27, 2018 at 2:33 am

      You’re absolutely correct! Joyce Meyer teaches her followers to have faith. In fact, she expects her followers to have faith –in her, not in Christ, in what they do for themselves, and not in what Christ did on the cross for everyone.

      Those who believe in Jesus, as he teaches, walk in the eternal life and wholeness that he purchased for them on the cross. Those who put their faith in Joyce Meyer instead, as this person unfortunately does, walk in spiritual darkness.

  18. toozluv's avatar toozluv said, on October 10, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    I quit listening to her message after I went to her website and saw the prices of her “doctrine”. Jesus never put a price on His gospel, all were encouraged to come to Him, free of charge – not at the low price of 39.99.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on October 10, 2019 at 4:39 pm

      Good point!
      When he sends them out to preach the gospel, Jesus tells his disciples, “You received without paying; give without pay.” Mt 10:8
      What is it that makes these ‘Jesus preachers’ so eager to do the exact opposite of what Christ taught –other than blind greed?

      • Jeffrey's avatar Jeffrey said, on June 23, 2022 at 3:58 pm

        OK – so I have read through all of these comments and your subsequent replies – interesting for me is that ALL of your replies are negative, toxic and back-biting – basically “name-calling”, while seeking self-approval. You forward a polite “Thank You” to all those who reply with messages supporting you. This seems all contradictory to Biblical Teachings, as well as replying with enormous amounts of pride from yourself. To me… i just see hypocrisy (and I am sure you were compensated well for your contribution). Interesting …

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:52 pm

        Thank you for your comment. I’m glad that you found the comments section interesting.

        But rather than only reading the comments, I suggest that you read the actual article. Since you say you’re concerned about anything “contradictory to Biblical Teachings”, there’s enough there among Joyce Meyer’s teachings to keep you busy for a very long time.

      • Jeffrey's avatar Jeffrey said, on June 24, 2022 at 11:58 am

        I certainly did read the article, which subsequently lead me to the comments. I agree to disagree – my standpoint is this – if Joyce’s teachings, readings, etc. have moved even one person to seek out a path that follows God and has lead them to move forward in love and l=kindness for others, then to me .. she has delivered a job well done!

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on June 26, 2022 at 12:24 am

        As I made clear, Meyer rejects saving faith in Christ and replaces it with self righteous faith in herself, and teaches her followers to do the same. If even one of Joyce Meyer’s followers finds saving faith in Christ it certainly won’t be thanks to Joyce Meyer it will be entirely despite her best efforts.

  19. Edith's avatar Edith said, on June 29, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    I’m sorry, but I disagree with your statements about Abraham. You say there were no conditions to receive the blessings God promised to him. That is not true. God told Abraham to “GO from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you…”. Would Abraham have received the blessings that God promised if he had not obeyed God and went from his country to the land that God showed him? God’s promises are conditional upon true faith in Him which will produce obedience. We should obey God because we love Him and trust Him and the blessings will follow. However, the blessings may not be in the way as we expect. Sometimes trials in our life are blessings in disguise. And we may think that God is not with us. But He has promised to never leave us or forsake us if we completely trust in Him.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on June 29, 2022 at 11:16 pm

      Thank you for your comment.

      Sorry that I didn’t make it clear enough. I’ll go back and expand on what I said. Contrary to what Meyer teaches, Abraham didn’t leave his family and home because it would bring him the corrupt and corrupting things of ths world – what Meyer calls “blesssings” – he did it because he had faith that God would do what he had promised, even if it cost him everything, as the Bible makes clear over and over. Hebrews refers to the faith of Abraham and others like him in the Bible like this:

      “All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. … Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one.”

      If you’ve read my entire article you’ve seen how Meyer completely corrupts the biblical concept of ‘blessing’ itself as well. She transforms it from the undeserved, everlasting love and grace of God into her corrupt “reward” of money, power, fame, property, gold – all the perishable things of this world rather than the hope of eternal life in the next.

      When all of what she calls ‘blessings’ have been ripped from her greedy, grasping fingers, what will Joyce Meyer have?

  20. Sandra's avatar Sandra said, on March 2, 2023 at 8:18 pm

    Thank you Jesus, I came to your website
    Thank you very much for this text. It is very appreciated.
    I was misleaded when I followed Joyce Meyer.
    I repent to our Saviour Jesus Christ.
    I really need to grow in faith
    Be blessed

  21. Jennifer Peddie's avatar Jennifer Peddie said, on March 17, 2023 at 3:24 pm

    I appreciate your thoroughness, yet I feel you have missed when Joyce has taught to humble ourselves and that we can only do what is our part and God does the rest. She has taught to give to others before. I too question some of the scriptures she chooses and I don’t use the Amplified Bible as she does. I will take a closer look at the scriptures she uses and this opened my eyes to where she may be coming from. She helped me spiritually through an incredibly hard time in my life when all I could do is pray and I didn’t know who to trust. Not once did I feel God wasn’t first and foremost through that time. I don’t feel led astray in anyway. I looked up scripture as it is important to do so when anyone is teaching. Now I am in a better place back in a healthy church that lifts up Jesus and God above all because of the time I could rely on her. So no I don’t feel I’ve rejected Jesus because she helped me learn to trust again.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on March 18, 2023 at 12:36 am

      Thank you for your comment.
      But I suspect you haven’t read my article at all since the problem with Meyer isn’t that she uses the Amplified, it’s that in order to serve her ego she takes the verses that are there in any version and either perverts them to mean the opposite of what they say or simply rewrites them.

      As to helping people ‘grow spiritually, Paul gives all credit to God, writing, “I planted and Apollos watered, but God gives the growth.”
      But notice that this person gives no credit to God for “helping her spiritually” but all to Joyce Meyer – and gives no credit to God or Christ at all.
      Similarly, on places like Facebook one sees only an endless stream of people saying how much Joyce Meyer has “done for them”, while never mentioning anything Jesus did – because Meyer doesn’t teach people to have faith in God but in her and in themselves, to give lip service to Christ while loathing him in their hearts.

  22. Laurie Snyder's avatar Laurie Snyder said, on March 22, 2023 at 2:09 pm

    I found this disheartening, as certainly I have heard some of her feel good messages. I am curious if anyone has confronted Joyce on this? Force her into a direct quote rather than reading into, or assuming?. Along with that has anyone questioned the venues that promote her ministry? If so what do they say or do in response? Laurie Snyder

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on April 3, 2023 at 9:10 pm

      Paul Massey, one of Meyer’s former employees, heard that his ‘Manifesto’ had managed to reach Meyer’s desk, but he says there was no response. Please refer to the links at the end of the article.
      http://wewouldratherhavejesus.com/resources/joyce-meyer-manifesto/

      As to Meyer’s ‘feel good’ messages, remember that it isn’t Christ using Joyce Meyer to bring people to follow him, it’s Joyce Meyer using Jesus to bring people to follow her.

      • Laura Snyder's avatar Laura Snyder said, on April 4, 2023 at 1:30 pm

        I do appreciate your feedback, it is still sad that this is who Joyce is. I am thankful for my salvation and for the many who are able to discern the truth.
        Thank you,
        Laurie Snyder

  23. R Hopkins's avatar R Hopkins said, on March 30, 2023 at 1:21 pm

    I have long had this opinion, but am not able to voice my thoughts and reasons in an organized way. Thank you for diligently working to document all of this. God bless

  24. Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on October 7, 2023 at 1:02 pm

    Joyce Meyer Ministries and Joyce Meyer’s teachings literally saved my life. I’m disappointed by this article. I had so many issues with addiction, but Joyce thought me to get past that and to live my life to serve Christ. I can only think you don’t understand. Yes, Joyce Meyer has a fabulous life now, but she went through YEARS of sexual abuse by her father. It’s amazing to me that she was able to overcome that. In truth, I believe her life is great now because of God’s blessings and by breaking the cycle of abuse. The Meyer family lives to serve God and help hurting people. She has done so much for people it’s mind boggling. She has a proven track record, 45 years and the worst thing I’ve ever heard is that she wears nice clothes lol. As Christians we need to focus on what we have in common, and Jesus’ teachings teach us to walk in love. Let’s just love each other, not tear each other down.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on October 9, 2023 at 12:38 am

      If you’d read my article you’d see that Joyce Meyer serves herself, not Christ, believes in herself, not Christ, and loves herself, not Christ. It’s an anti-Christ you’re following, not Christ – the very fact that you credit Meyer for “saving your life” and credit Christ for nothing at all makes that perfectly clear.
      Pointing out such hypocrisy is not “tearing each other down” it’s following the example of Christ, who was crucified for doing so.

  25. Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on November 1, 2023 at 12:09 pm

    As a Christian woman who attends church, and has walked intimately with God for over 30 years, I do discreetly listen to a select few Christian television shows, like Dr Charles Stanley, and Joyce Meyer. I find your article offensive and 100% bogus. Your words are so hateful and pointed. Your article leaves me more concerned about you, and whatever your agenda is. I’m sorry to say, but my first reaction is that the enemy is using you to sow doubt and stop the word of Christ from being spread. I do realize there are people who take advantage of their audiences. Joyce Meyer is not one of them.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 1, 2023 at 2:08 pm

      Saying that Joyce Meyer is or isn’t a false teacher, of course, makes her neither. What matters is what she teaches. So please point out where I said anything about Meyer’s teachings that wasn’t true. I make it perfectly clear that Meyer not only rejects Christ and his teachings, but she twists, falsifies and perverts them obsessively to suit herself and her blind followers. It’s what they pay her to do.

  26. Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on November 15, 2023 at 12:18 pm

    Shame on you. That family works extremely hard for what they have and sell products that change lives. They are a blessing to the world!

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on November 18, 2023 at 7:08 pm

      The real shame is twisting and perverting Jesus’ teachings into pretty lies in order to, as you say “sell products”. No one is more adept at it than Joyce Meyer and for that she will be eternally ashamed.

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on April 15, 2024 at 11:26 am

        Appears you have much hatred and jealously…..not Christ-like.

      • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on April 15, 2024 at 3:38 pm

        Jesus takes the entire 23rd chapter of Matthew calling not just one but all the teachers of the law and the Pharisees “You hypocrites!” six times in a row. “You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.” And he concludes “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

        Was that “Un-Christ like”? Did Jesus have “hatred and jealousy”?

        Peter spends an entire chapter condemning the false teachers of his time “In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping,” he writes. “Blackest darkness is reserved for them.” And he concludes “Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.””

        Was that “Un-Christ like”? Did Peter have “hatred and jealousy”?

        Could anyone be as unlike Christ as Joyce Meyer? How could anyone who follows Christ not condemn such flagrant arrogance, greed and hypocrisy as hers? How can her followers be so blind?

  27. Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on December 23, 2024 at 7:08 pm

    I’m no Joyce Meyer fan, and I was looking for holes in her doctrine when I found this site, but I couldn’t make it a quarter of the way through this post.

    You seem to want to look at grace/salvation and the blessings of God as the same thing. Yes we have salvation and that is our eternal promise and that comes from grace, not works. But that does not mean that we will receive his favor or blessings unless we live as instructed.

    Time and again, we can see examples of this in the old testament. When the nation of Israel would live in accordance to His will, they would be blessed. When they stepped outside of His will they were punished. Living in or out of His will did not change the fact that they were his chosen people.

    The fact is that we as humans have free will, and as such always have a choice to do has God commands. And the Bible is pretty clear that there are rewards on top of salvation for living in God’s will and punishment for not doing so. The fact that you based a whole blog post on whether a logical operator was implied instead of explicitly stated is a little much.

    God bless you.

    • ken jacobsen's avatar ken jacobsen said, on December 24, 2024 at 5:13 pm

      Thank you for the critique but I suspect that if you’d read further your concerns would be cleared up.

      As the Bible makes clear, and my article points out, the “blessings” that Abraham had were by faith, not by “living as instructed”, since, as Paul points out, there were no commandments until generations later under Moses. As Paul also points out, for example. Abraham wasn’t circumcised in order to receive God’s blessing, but because he was already fully “blessed”.

      The most important thing Meyer and the televangelists are rejecting in their “blessings” doctrine, is Jesus himself. He is the only person who truly fulfilled the law of Moses, yet he was poor, was hated, was lied about, was falsely accused, imprisoned, beaten and tortured to death. The prophets before him predicted his example in their lives, and the apostles after him followed it. None of them would be considered “blessed” by so many people who call themselves “Christians” today, led astray from Christ to follow ostentatiously rich preachers like Meyer who are in fact the very opposite of “blessed”.

  28. Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on November 9, 2025 at 6:19 am

    Gosh, I knew there was a reason the Holy Spirit was keeping me sheltered from her preaching.

  29. Unknown's avatar Anonymous said, on November 10, 2025 at 5:43 pm

    I appreciate your work on Joyce Meyer’s teachings. When I was a new Christian, I read and followed many of her books, along with other Word of Faith ministries, but soon realized the “twisted scriptures” were deceptive. I was raised as a JW and know how twisting scripture is so dangerous and deceptive. Since becoming born again, my prayer is always, Help me not be deceived and know God’s truth. I was researching Joyce Meyer vs. the scriptures, to bring this up in a Women’s shelter that wants to do a Bible study with one of her books, so this was exactly what I needed to bring to their attention. Thank you.


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